Top oil pan baffles

Discussion in 'Classifieds (old)' started by John, Jun 2, 2007.

  1. UweM3

    UweM3 Active Member

    Hmmmmm......
    sounds like a plan :D
    Just no spare time at the moment. I have a spare oil pan I want to sacrifice for the project.
     
  2. 1990s14

    1990s14 Member

    Uwe
    add some capacity too (and another baffle), our oil temps came down noticeably.
     
  3. UweM3

    UweM3 Active Member

    :D
    Might do that just for my own, but as a "general" item it has to be plug'n'play as much as possible.
    And why make one if there is already one on offer?

    I am not going to post anymore about baffles in this thread because this is John's for sale thread, so back to subject please
     
  4. John

    John 2.7l S14 Forum Supporter

    Like I wrote in the beginning, if you have a top baffle you dont really
    need a higher vertical baffle. You have enough "sideways protection".
    Ive run this around the ring many years with a normal height center baffle.

    Many people in the past did not understand that most serious
    condition is coming into the corner under hard braking since much of the oil gets
    dumped into the timing case, not what you need when you turn into the corner.
    Ive been harping around on this point now for several years because
    all you normally hear about are vertical baffles in the stock pan. In the past,
    I described how to make up a simple one. Now there is this solution for the
    stock pan.

    Thats correct and its fine that way.

    I forgot what Uwes vertical baffle looks like, but if its similar the stock one
    just higher, then mounting the horizontal baffle should not be a real problem.
    You would have to use taller supports on the right hand side.

    John
     
  5. empty

    empty Member

    John, email sent.

    Mike
     
  6. empty

    empty Member

    Any info on those pans shown in the previous photo?

    Thanks,
    Mike
     
  7. Artik

    Artik Member

    Already i have intalled the TMS's pan baffle, does it serve? or is really a shit in comparation with this

    Greets
     
  8. Kiko

    Kiko Active Member

    I'd be interested in that baffle on an extended capacity sump!
     
  9. John

    John 2.7l S14 Forum Supporter

    Artik, its a vertical baffle, so that means its not keeping the oil in the pan
    under braking.

    John
     
  10. UweM3

    UweM3 Active Member


    something to keep in mind is that the sump will be FULL of oil or even more if Oil is filled up to the first kink of the dipstick.
    I agree with John that there is no need for a higher baffle if you keep the oil trapped around the pickup.
    but for sure there is no such thing as overkill when it comes to keep the oil near the pickup
     
  11. John

    John 2.7l S14 Forum Supporter

    yes, thats something else I always do too: I keep the oil level filled to the
    first kink on the dipstick, that is almost 1 L overfill. Thats what BMW
    MS used to recommend as well.


    BTW, just so noone gets the wrong idea: if all you do is drive on the
    street you DONT NEED to get this sort of baffle. This is for people
    who are tracking their cars and especially those running on semi slick
    tires. Adding an oil pressure gauge helps too.

    John
     
  12. UweM3

    UweM3 Active Member

    Helps with what? Freaking out when the pressure drops off ?:35:

    I had my oil light on even with a raised baffle on sharp hard turns with hard braking (like Auto-X), but only happens if not overfilled.
     
  13. AndrewK

    AndrewK Member

    Was that with the stock pressure sender or an aftermarket one with a higher pressure switch? I've always heard that the stock warning light pressure is so ridiculously low that if you ever see it come on, your bearings are probably already toast. Or is that another one of those internet-perpetuated myths?
     
  14. UweM3

    UweM3 Active Member

    with the stock sensor! But it was only a flicker for a split second with very low revs. Full on the brakes to almost standstill and clutched ready for a downshift. John posted it already, the oil creeps up under heavy braking, especially with sticky tyres/slicks.

    If the light stays on for a few seconds on high revs you may have toasted your bearings already.
     
  15. John

    John 2.7l S14 Forum Supporter

    yes :) if the oilP gauge is installed and we watch it, then we see the
    pressure drop. With good baffling the oil pressure is much more stable.
    that usually is convincing enough.

    my last set of MS rod bearings came out spotless, but they only
    did 45 ring laps

    John
     
  16. Timsteren

    Timsteren Member

    Hi Guys,
    interesting info on the overfilling of the oil up to the first kink of the dipstick. Is this O.K. to do on a stock engine? I always thought that it was a big no-no to overfill the oil. However if you folks have had success with it, then I think I'll give it a try.
    Cheers, Tim.
     
  17. John

    John 2.7l S14 Forum Supporter

    when on track, you should NEVER let the oil get below the max
    fill line on the dip stick. if you add 0.75-1L extra, the oil level should
    come up to where the first kink is on the dipstick.

    there have been some other threads on this here in the past.

    John
     
  18. Kiko

    Kiko Active Member

    Where can I get one of these?

    The added capacity and lower oil temperatures are appealing.
     
  19. adwo

    adwo Member

    Do those pans look rather crude or is it just me?

    Looks like a welded on boxed reservoir on the left hand side. How hard would it be to have your standard pan modified this way?

    What's with the drain plugs in the picture? Doesn't look stock to me?

    Adwo
     
  20. UweM3

    UweM3 Active Member

    It's an oil container hidden away under a car. form follows function (and cost!) if you ask me. Doesn't need to be pretty. Or do you want to puct a mirror on the floor when you park you car at a gathering? :37: